Posts tagged ‘Tan8’

January 5, 2012

Meaningful consultation?

by backpackingbongos

What does the word consultation mean to you?

The dictionary definition of consultation is:  The act of discussing something with somebody or with a group of people before making a decision about it.

A pretty simply statement I would hope that you agree?

My next question is why have a consultation?  I think that we would all agree that the purpose of a consultation should be to listen to what people have to say, to receive feedback.  The questions asked and the feedback received should then be used in a way that reflects the opinions of those who were consulted.  The feedback can then be used to shape policy as a way of reflecting what the public wants.  I would define this as meaningful consultation.  I think that the word democracy could also be used.

As an Advocate for homeless and vulnerable people I help ensure that individuals get their voice heard.  Part of this role includes supporting groups and individuals who are being consulted about the services that they receive.  I think that one of the most important questions to ask any organisation carrying out a consultation is ‘why are you doing it?’.  Is it to take into consideration the views and opinions of those who use your services?  Or are you doing it as a box ticking exercise?  Sadly I often come to the conclusion that it is because of the latter.

Where are you going with this I hear you ask?  Please take the time to read the press statement that I have copied and pasted below and consider whether you feel that this is an example of meaningful consultation.  Answers can be left in the comments box below.

Cambrian Mountains Society

Press Release

Date: 4th January 2012

Public Consultation Responses on the draft TAN8
Analysed by the Cambrian Mountains Society

1. The Cambrian Mountains Society has announced the results of its comprehensive analysis of
the responses to the Welsh Government’s public consultation on the draft Technical Advice
Note 8 (TAN 8). The final version of this controversial document led to the proposals for the
establishment on the uplands of Wales of what Welsh Government consultants called
‘turbine landscapes’. As a result of their analysis the Society is calling for a new review of
TAN 8.

2. Only 10% of respondents supported the draft TAN 8 in what is thought to be the largest
number of responses to any Welsh Government consultation. 90% of the close to 1700
responders were against the whole or part of TAN 8. The responses were notable for the
number of individuals who responded, rather than organizations. 94% of these responses
were against TAN 8 in whole or part. Their views were almost wholly ignored in the final

3. Despite the overwhelming opposition to the draft document the final TAN 8 was if anything
strengthened further in favour of turbine development on the Welsh uplands.

4. Many responders criticised the timing of the Consultation and local community councils who
responded complained that they were left out of the formal arrangements. The draft was
published just days before, under the Welsh Government’s own regulations, the need for a
Strategic Environmental Assessment of such a policy came into effect on 21st July 2004. Calls
for TAN 8 to be the subject of a Strategic Environmental Assessment owing to its nature and
scale were not answered by the Welsh Government.

5. Despite the views of the vast majority of responders to the Consultation, landscape quality
was not considered in the selection of areas for turbine development other than to rule out
National Parks and AONBs. Remarkably the Countryside Council for Wales (CCW) was not
involved until the public consultation stage. Thus areas which CCW as the Welsh
Government’s statutory adviser on landscape classifies as of outstanding landscape quality
are categorized in TAN8 for turbine developments and a future as ‘turbine landscapes’. Even
a prospective wind turbine developer’s response was to express unease about turbines
being proposed ‘very close to the nationally acclaimed Pumlumon range’. This has caused a
great deal of public anxiety about the policy.

6. On the important issue of grid transmission National Grid Transco expressed particular
concern that it had not been considered in the planning. The Welsh Government’s response
was that the issue had to be considered outside TAN 8. This is analogous to constructing a
reservoir without any consideration of where the main water pipes have to go. It has a direct
relevance to the problems in Mid Wales to-day and which contributed to the largest ever
demonstration outside the Welsh Assembly in Cardiff last summer.

7. Other problems arising from the current application of TAN 8 were envisaged by many of the
responders. In their responses turbine developers referred to problems of transmission and
difficulties of access on public roads.

8. The work underpinning the document was undertaken by international consultants Arup
who considered it would apply for 5-7 years. Since that report turbine heights have
increased from around 160 feet to around 450 feet, public perceptions have developed on
the issue and other technologies have developed too as well as the UK government’s energy
policy. Problems have arisen on transmission and other issues. The Cambrian Mountains
Society therefore calls for the Welsh Government to instigate a formal review of the
application of TAN 8 and to apply to it the Strategic Environmental Assessment which its
own regulations would normally require.

1. The controversial policy on establishing wind turbines and associated transmission lines in
the Welsh uplands is based on the Welsh Government’s TAN 8 (Technical Advice Note 8) the
basis of which has been recently the subject of criticism in the Welsh Assembly, in Parliament
and was the cause of this summer’s largest demonstration ever outside the Welsh Assembly
in Cardiff

2. The Cambrian Mountains Society have analysed the responses to the public consultation on
the draft Tan8 circulated in July 2004 and have produced the only numerical analysis of the
responses. The analysis was carried out by 8 analysts from the Cambrian Mountains

Society who between them examined each of close to 1700 responses to the

3. The results of the analysis show the overwhelming opposition to TAN8 expressed in the
consultation responses. Responders’ comments are as relevant to-day as at the draft stage
of Tan8.

4. Further detail on the Cambrian Mountain Society’s analysis and pdf files containing the
responses can be viewed at

If that is not depressing enough have a quick read of this:

One of Scotland’s best wild landscapes lost on Lewis

It’s all pretty tragic eh?

October 3, 2011

Exploring what may be lost

by backpackingbongos

Our homes, our land, no choice.

That was a sign that caught my eye as I drove the main road between Welshpool and Newtown.  My backpacking plans sometimes don’t pan out.  Last weekend I should have been backpacking the Crianlarich seven, a rollercoaster route over some mighty fine hills in the Southern Highlands.  The route that I had planned is complex and good weather is essential to enjoy it to its fullest.  Unfortunately towards the end of last week it became apparent that Scotland was not going to deliver the goods over the weekend.  A hasty redrafting of a backpacking route instead saw me heading to Mid-Wales on Friday during an unseasonable hot spell.

I was heading towards a small slice of backpacking heaven, the hills and lakes sandwiched between the lovely town of Machynlleth and the mighty fine hill of Pumlumon.  This wonderful part of Mid-Wales is now firmly in the sight of the developers who want to turn it into a giant power station.  I wanted to get the opportunity to enjoy it before it may be lost forever.  I wrote about this area back in March and what it means to me in Hyddgen – desecrating the sacred?

Anyway, back on the road between Welshpool and Newtown.  During the entire stretch there were banners and placards every few metres including the one above, the strength of feeling against the TAN8 proposals in this fine area looking very high.  I was simply a dismayed visitor for a few days, there are countless numbers of people who will have to live, day in day out with what may be coming their way.  And what is coming their way?  Well in a nutshell there are plans for 800 turbines, giant pylons to carry the electricity generated and a 20 acre electricity substation near Abermule.

Turbines give you pylons.

Another one of the protest signs.

I spent a wonderful three days backpacking the hills, lakes and forests surrounding the Nant-y-Moch reservoir.  A place of peace and tranquility almost designed with the misanthropic backpacker in mind.  It was a poignant journey with the knowledge that in a few short years the area may be blanketed with 64 turbines up to 481 feet high.  The scenery was outstanding which is impossible to accurately convey with this photograph.

It was taken on the way to the summit of Moel y Llyn, looking back towards Pumlumon on the horizon.  Turbines will blanket these hills, full details on the map below.

Although my three days on the hills was spent amongst some spectacular wild scenery, there was always the presence of turbines on the near or far horizons.  The most prominent of these being the 56 turbines at Carno.  Waking at dawn on the summit of the 565 metre Foel Uchaf, I looked east and thought ‘blimey they are massive’.  They were 7 miles as far as the crow flies from my camp.  I have just looked up that wind farm on the internet, their height is 176 feet.  This is substantially less than the proposed turbine height of 481 feet for Nant-y-Moch.

Anyway I better stop banging on about this depressing subject.  In due course I will do a full trip report, concentrating of the wild beauty of the area and the two magnificent summit camps with my dog Reuben.

In the meantime, if you have not already signed these two petitions………………

Now, would it be worth the risk putting links to these on Outdoors magic?

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